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Jock 
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Posted: 30/April/2017 at 11:17 |
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Having slightly wobbly health I always carry my EHIC and a copy of my health insurance summary doc. when I'm abroad, in my natty little shoulder bag. On the odd occasion I need hospital help I need it quickly. Fortunately not abroad so far. It's a bit of a bind because the resorts I go to have to be fairly close to a large general hospital. Cuts out most greek islands sadly.
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DICEYUK
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Posted: 30/April/2017 at 09:26 |
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None of them thought to have even their EHIC cards with them. |
Presumably those will become obsolete in 2 years time
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I hate how peopleï compare Frank Zappa to God. I mean, he's cool and great and nice and everything, but he's no Zappa.
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cubsur
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Posted: 30/April/2017 at 09:23 |
Another reason to carry some kind of identifcation here, as even a tourist, and I have witnessed this, if you have an accident and have to go to hospital they will ask for identification.
If this cannot be produced, you may be denied treatment. This was the case a few years ago at Lagos hospital with a visiting amateur footballer from UK who had a suspected broken ankle. One of his team-mates had to return to their hotel, luckily fairly close by, and bring it.
None of them thought to have even their EHIC cards with them.
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Analogue.man.in.a.di
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Posted: 29/April/2017 at 17:04 |
Sorry, clumsily expressed thought. What I actually meant was if/when the UK accepts existing EU residents post Brexit, then their residency
status is somewhere between 'leave to remain' & open border as now. ...... So, expensive or not, our Betters & Superiors will have to re-visit it. I'd put a fair sized bet on them introducing it for everyone - to show non-discrimination on the deal. I can see Magna Carta, flag waving & " I'd rather go to jail Martyrs" ahead...  
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Andrew
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Posted: 29/April/2017 at 17:04 |
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I think, given the way of the world at the moment, that it's only a matter of time before the carrying of ID in the U.K. becomes law.
We are pretty much in the minority in this respect already.
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DICEYUK
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Posted: 29/April/2017 at 16:37 |
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The idea was thrown out a few years ago because the vast majority of the public were massively against it and it was going to cost a fortune
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I hate how peopleï compare Frank Zappa to God. I mean, he's cool and great and nice and everything, but he's no Zappa.
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Analogue.man.in.a.di
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Posted: 29/April/2017 at 14:01 |
Interesting. Wonder how the UK will go on this post 2019+ Imagine the fun if everyone's told to carry mandatory ID everywhere.
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Algarveaddick
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Posted: 29/April/2017 at 09:56 |
The facts, annoying as they are, are that it is a legal requirement to carry ID, people have been nicked for it, though it's rare. I carry all the necessary paperwork in my car, I don't bother when on foot, I know I am risking a fine, but if you keep you nose clean it's highly unlikely.
The choice is yours, but no-one is above the law, even those who think they are perfect.
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Go away Duchatalet
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DICEYUK
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Posted: 28/April/2017 at 19:27 |
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^ this
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I hate how peopleï compare Frank Zappa to God. I mean, he's cool and great and nice and everything, but he's no Zappa.
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tonisdad
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Posted: 28/April/2017 at 17:59 |
Chloe wrote:
DICEYUK wrote:
cubsur wrote:
But you all knew that carrying photo ID here was a legal requirement, didn't you? |
No.
I obviously have Passport & Driving Licence but her indoors only has a Passport and that stays, with mine, in the suitcase until we go home.
I only take my wallet (which contains my Driving Licence) with me if I know I'm going to need it (e.g. credit card/shopping) but most of the time I'll leave that at home and just take cash in my pocket.
Are we really expected to cart everything around 24/7? |
Simple answer, yes you are. You are required by law to carry your driving licence with you ( in fact you are supposed to carry it with you in the UK but police there turn a blind eye). You should carry some form of identification in the form of national identity card ( applicable if you aare Portuguese) or your passport. Ignorance is no defence for not carrying these items nor is the fact that you obviously don't want to. Perhaps a hefty fine would be acceptable as that is what you stand to get if you cannot produce the documents required by the authorities.
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Jesus Chloe wind your neck in...what a load of rubbish have to carry your driving licence in UK. As for hefty fine if it was that hefty GNR would be trawling up and down let`s say the strip. How many people down there do you think will have ID...about 1% if you are lucky.
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cubsur
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Posted: 28/April/2017 at 10:43 |
Like me, I have lived here 11 years and have never once been asked to show ID. I have a photocopy of my passport page in a plastic holder, in my wallet, just in case. I NEVER carry the original except when flying.
It is a simple and inescapable fact that the law here requires adults to carry ID. This is not the UK, where there no such law.
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Jock
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Posted: 27/April/2017 at 22:49 |
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I've always known that ID is should be carried but can't be bothered. I don't drive & it's such a hassle if you lose your passport. It wasn't a problem last year when GNR spot checked the bus I was on.
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It is no coincidence that in no known language does the phrase 'As pretty as an Airport' appear. Douglas Adams
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Big Col
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Posted: 27/April/2017 at 22:06 |
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I always have my UK driving licence with me (it's in my wallet). I take my passport whenever driving in Portugal (advice originally received from the hire company) together with the hire documents.
However I don't carry my passport at any other time as I didn't know it was a requirement.
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Andrew
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Posted: 27/April/2017 at 21:04 |
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Adding to the above, I was once eating outside at FC Guia bar in, not surprisingly, Guia. There were about 8 or 9 cars parked in a row, half on pavement, half on road, and Plod arrived. They walked up and down and ticketed one car only, surprisingly (not) this was the only one with UK plates, the rest were ignored despite being guilty of the same parking infringement.
When the female UK owner/driver returned it quickly escalated as she didn't have her driving licence or passport on her, she'd popped out for a paper and milk, and she was 'placed', with her arm up her back, into plods car, even being threatened with handcuffs when she tried to protest. Twenty minutes after that a recovery vehicle arrived and her car was craned onto the flatbed and also carted off.
Consequently, I always have my paperwork on me, and I don't park half on the pavement, and I wont entertain a UK plated vehicle... it isn't worth risking engaging with authority I don't understand the rules with, they move the goalposts and pick the touch lines!!!
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Posted: 27/April/2017 at 20:33 |
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My understanding as an expat or tourist, being English, is.. if I'm driving I must have my driving licence with me, if I'm in Portugal, anywhere, anytime, I need Nationally accepted ID. As in the U.K. we don't have ID cards that leaves Passport, so yes, as I can be challenged by Authorities in Portugal literally anywhere, I do need my Passport on me, all times, and driving licence if I'm driving.
I think this is why some have sought alternatives, like Richard's Solicitor certified photocopy of his photo page of his passport.
I have heard horror stories of people being carted off, almost certainly ignorant of the laws, who haven't had the required documentation on them, and not just motoring, but in visits to bars and stop checks at random on the street.
On this understanding, we have driving licence and passports with us 100% of the time we are in PT.
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